New groups

[Aioe]

I added about 140 groups on the server that was not carried before.
This is their full list:

ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.security.policy n
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.support.firefox n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.politics.conservative y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.ports.bugs m
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.questions m
ctlinnd newgroup alt.fun.with.tob y
ctlinnd newgroup lada.kitchen y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.support.thunderbird n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.bbs.synchronet y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.ui-alerts n
ctlinnd newgroup alive.media.tv.bbc y
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging n
ctlinnd newgroup lada.fishing y
ctlinnd newgroup lada.soft y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.gnome m
ctlinnd newgroup bit.listserv.catholic m
ctlinnd newgroup tnn.religion.catholic y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.religion.christian.romman-catholic y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.christian.bible y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.stable m
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.pf m
ctlinnd newgroup alt.legal y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.gecko m
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.support.seamonkey n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.marketplace y
ctlinnd newgroup spline.fli4l y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.x11 m
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.linux.alsa.user n
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.bugs m
ctlinnd newgroup abg.test y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.security m
ctlinnd newgroup oecher.flohmarkt y
ctlinnd newgroup lada.mobile y
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.osmosis.devel n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.pub.cafe-bob y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.office m
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.hackers m
ctlinnd newgroup biz.mlm y
ctlinnd newgroup soc.men.alt.feminism y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.religion y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.islam y
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.linux.alsa.devel n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.christian y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird n
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.hr n
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.video.dri.devel n
ctlinnd newgroup spline.eisfair.dev y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.support.calendar n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.sex.girl y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.arts.poetry y
ctlinnd newgroup nemo.dev.passerelle y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.sex.erotic y
ctlinnd newgroup south-wales.test y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.nanog m
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.current m
ctlinnd newgroup demos.local.statistics y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.multimedia m
ctlinnd newgroup alt.att y
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.wireless m
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.linux.kernel n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.religion.apathy y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.compatibility n
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.test n
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.general n
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.platform n
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.servo n
ctlinnd newgroup torfree.fccs.news.misc y
ctlinnd newgroup oesterreich.test y
ctlinnd newgroup mex.test y
ctlinnd newgroup ibm.software.network.directory-integrator y
ctlinnd newgroup bit.listserv.ada-law m
ctlinnd newgroup aol.neighborhood.az.jobs y
ctlinnd newgroup aol.neighborhood.ca.san-francisco.jobs y
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap n
ctlinnd newgroup mailing.database.myodbc y
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.josm.devel n
ctlinnd newgroup spline.test y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.survivalism y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.sex.voyeurismn y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.toronto y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.college.camp-all-stars y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.rush.limbaugh y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.fr.outil.thunderbird y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.fan.snuffles y
ctlinnd newgroup spline.fli4l.dev y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.fr.os.windows.7 y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.l10n n
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.tools.marionette n
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.linux.bios.flashrom n
ctlinnd newgroup eagle.support.eng y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.tools.treeherder n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.2600.hackers y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.webdev n
ctlinnd newgroup borland.public.cppbuilder.jobs y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.sci.physics y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.wishlist n
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.announce m
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.security.notifications m
ctlinnd newgroup alt.religion.christian.jesus-connect y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.job y
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.geocoding n
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.imports n
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel n
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.geom m
ctlinnd newgroup mpc.lists.freebsd.chat m
ctlinnd newgroup phl.jobs y
ctlinnd newgroup aol.neighborhood.tx.arlington.jobs y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.bestjobsusa.nebraska.jobs y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.developer-tools n
ctlinnd newgroup al.christnet.bible y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.economics y
ctlinnd newgroup lada.test y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.support.bugzilla n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.law.enforcement y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.politics.rush-limbaugh y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.super-review n
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.governance n
ctlinnd newgroup lada.politics y
ctlinnd newgroup rwth.jobs y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.tv.wkrp y
ctlinnd newgroup nemo.abuse y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.security n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.bestjobsusa.management.jobs y
ctlinnd newgroup mozilla.dev.builds n
ctlinnd newgroup a2i.ba.jobs.offered.hivol y
ctlinnd newgroup de.alt.rec.getraenke y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.2600.debate.winged-personifications y
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.linux.kernel.stable n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.connecticut y
ctlinnd newgroup spline.eisxen.dev y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.christnet.religion y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.recovery.addiction-alcoholism y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.poetry y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.appalachian.literature y
ctlinnd newgroup alt.true.crime y
ctlinnd newgroup japan.cosplay y
ctlinnd newgroup gmane.comp.hardware.netbook.arm.sunxi n
ctlinnd newgroup alt.scientology y
ctlinnd newgroup proxad.free.mobile y

[Winston]

What is hierarchy mpc (such as mpc.lists.*)?
This is the first I've heard of it.
-WBE

[Aioe]

Post by Winston
What is hierarchy mpc (such as mpc.lists.*)?

honestly I do not know

I added that hierarchy also to see what it is, I've never even heard of
it but I receive several messages from other servers posted on those
groups


i will investigate

[catalpa]

Post by Aioe
I added about 140 groups on the server that was not carried before.

<snip>

Thanks for the new groups.

My analysis says:

AIOE now has 42961 groups.

Only 5653 groups have 1 or more posts.

88% of the groups have no posts. Any reason to continue to carry these
groups? Other than it would require work to delete them.

[Aioe]

Post by catalpa
88% of the groups have no posts. Any reason to continue to carry these
groups? Other than it would require work to delete them.

Usenet groups are divided into hierarchies and each hierarchy is
administered by a group of people who decide which groups are part of it.
Each newsmaster chooses which hierarchies he wants to be carried by the
server then he delegates who manages the hierarchy to handle the groups
that are part of it.
The empty groups that you see on the server are part of a hierarchy and
you should ask to those who manage each of them to delete the useless
ones.
Moreover, empty groups do not consume server resources so from the
newsmaster's point of view nothing changes if they are left on the server.
Many hierarchies are abandoned and this is the real problem. No
management means that there is no longer anyone who creates and cancels
groups, that handles abuse and controls that everything works as it
should.
At the moment, the only hierarchies i'm sure that are still managed are
it. *, fr. * and uk. * Also de. * I think it is abandoned.

[Brian Howie]

Post by Aioe

Post by catalpa
88% of the groups have no posts. Any reason to continue to carry these
groups? Other than it would require work to delete them.

Usenet groups are divided into hierarchies and each hierarchy is
administered by a group of people who decide which groups are part of it.
Each newsmaster chooses which hierarchies he wants to be carried by the
server then he delegates who manages the hierarchy to handle the groups
that are part of it.
The empty groups that you see on the server are part of a hierarchy and
you should ask to those who manage each of them to delete the useless
ones.
Moreover, empty groups do not consume server resources so from the
newsmaster's point of view nothing changes if they are left on the server.
Many hierarchies are abandoned and this is the real problem. No
management means that there is no longer anyone who creates and cancels
groups, that handles abuse and controls that everything works as it
should.
At the moment, the only hierarchies i'm sure that are still managed are
it. *, fr. * and uk. * Also de. * I think it is abandoned.

I think the "Big Eight" hierarchy is still managed ;-) . The Grim Reaper
comes round occasionally and culls abandoned newsgroups there.

I subscribe to a couple of groups in the demon.* hierarchy, which was
set up by the Demon ISP way back in the 90s . There are still a couple
of demon groups with significant traffic.

Demon in it's original from no longer exists , and I doubt if there is
anyone at Vodafone ( who inherited it ) has the knowledge or more
importantly the control keys to delete any of it. The group's topics
are a throwback to the 90's. E.g demon.ip.support.win95

Brian

[Aioe]

Post by Brian Howie
I think the "Big Eight" hierarchy is still managed ;-)

yes, of course
big8 hierarchies are managed :-)

Post by Brian Howie
I subscribe to a couple of groups in the demon.* hierarchy, which was
set up by the Demon ISP way back in the 90s . There are still a couple
of demon groups with significant traffic.
Demon in it's original from no longer exists , and I doubt if there is
anyone at Vodafone ( who inherited it ) has the knowledge or more
importantly the control keys to delete any of it. The group's topics
are a throwback to the 90's. E.g demon.ip.support.win95

thank you very much for your information, it was things I did not know.

[s|b]

Post by Aioe
At the moment, the only hierarchies i'm sure that are still managed are
it. *, fr. * and uk. * Also de. * I think it is abandoned.

nl.* is still managed as well. Sometimes a poor soul tries to create a
newsgroup through nl.newsgroups, but they're always shot down.

be.* used to be managed through usenet.be, but I guess that guy gave up
since there's nothing to see at usenet.be (still registered though, I'm
guessing by a different person). Wayback Machine shows a page in 2017,
but there's nothing to see...

[Aioe]

Post by s|b
nl.* is still managed as well. Sometimes a poor soul tries to create a
newsgroup through nl.newsgroups, but they're always shot down.
be.* used to be managed through usenet.be, but I guess that guy gave up
since there's nothing to see at usenet.be (still registered though, I'm
guessing by a different person). Wayback Machine shows a page in 2017,
but there's nothing to see...

it's a good news

[Pyt T.]

Post by Aioe
At the moment, the only hierarchies i'm sure that are still managed are
it. *, fr. * and uk. * Also de. * I think it is abandoned.

nl.* is still managed as well. ..

Opinions differ on that.

[s|b]

Post by Pyt T.

nl.* is still managed as well. ..

Opinions differ on that.

They're _alive_ aren't they? ;-)

[Pyt T.]

Post by s|b

Post by Pyt T.

nl.* is still managed as well. ..

Opinions differ on that.

They're _alive_ aren't they? ;-)

Opinions differ on that.
:-)

[s|b]

Post by Pyt T.

Post by s|b
They're _alive_ aren't they? ;-)

Opinions differ on that.
:-)

:-D

[catalpa]

Post by Aioe

Post by catalpa
88% of the groups have no posts. Any reason to continue to carry these
groups? Other than it would require work to delete them.

Usenet groups are divided into hierarchies and each hierarchy is
administered by a group of people who decide which groups are part of it.
Each newsmaster chooses which hierarchies he wants to be carried by the
server then he delegates who manages the hierarchy to handle the groups
that are part of it.
The empty groups that you see on the server are part of a hierarchy and
you should ask to those who manage each of them to delete the useless
ones.
Moreover, empty groups do not consume server resources so from the
newsmaster's point of view nothing changes if they are left on the server.
Many hierarchies are abandoned and this is the real problem. No
management means that there is no longer anyone who creates and cancels
groups, that handles abuse and controls that everything works as it
should.
At the moment, the only hierarchies i'm sure that are still managed are
it. *, fr. * and uk. * Also de. * I think it is abandoned.

Thanks for the response.

"empty groups do not consume server resources" answers my question.

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Post by Aioe
Moreover, empty groups do not consume server resources so from the
newsmaster's point of view nothing changes if they are left on the server.

Hello,

that's not the point.

If you search the aioe repository for NG with names which sound
interesting (for example "braunschweig", my hometown), nowadays you will
find lots of hits, but most of them are completely useless, because the
NG are completely inactive. So these entries might not consume server
resources, but they consume users' time and patience. They should be
removed from aioe.

My example finds several usegroups related to "Braunschweig"
<Loading Image...>, but
only the 2 ones with a checkmarks still have some minimum activity, the
other ones are "dead". they should no longer be listet at aioe.

CU

Rainer

[David LaRue]

Post by Rainer Bielefeld

Post by Aioe
Moreover, empty groups do not consume server resources so from the
newsmaster's point of view nothing changes if they are left on the server.

Hello,
that's not the point.
If you search the aioe repository for NG with names which sound
interesting (for example "braunschweig", my hometown), nowadays you will
find lots of hits, but most of them are completely useless, because the
NG are completely inactive. So these entries might not consume server
resources, but they consume users' time and patience. They should be
removed from aioe.
My example finds several usegroups related to "Braunschweig"
<https://rrbd.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/2018-03-23_901_ng.png>, but
only the 2 ones with a checkmarks still have some minimum activity, the
other ones are "dead". they should no longer be listet at aioe.
CU
Rainer

Just because no one answers those empty groups now doesn't mean they won't
later. They are propogated around the world, not just on aioe.org. If you
don't want to see them just remove them from your news reader.

Yes it is a pain to weed thrugh all the groups aioe and other servers have.
But we find such interesting posts and people when we take the time to do
so.

[Good Guy]

Post by Rainer Bielefeld

Post by Aioe
Moreover, empty groups do not consume server resources so from the
newsmaster's point of view nothing changes if they are left on the server.

Hello,
that's not the point.

what is the point?

Post by Rainer Bielefeld
If you search the aioe repository for NG with names which sound
interesting (for example "braunschweig", my hometown), nowadays you
will find lots of hits, but most of them are completely useless,
because the NG are completely inactive. So these entries might not
consume server resources, but they consume users' time and patience.

In that case users' don't have to waste time searching for so called
"useless" newsgroups. Is that what you do? then stop doing it and your
time and patience will not be consumed.

Post by Rainer Bielefeld
My example finds several usegroups related to "Braunschweig"
<https://rrbd.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/2018-03-23_901_ng.png>, but
only the 2 ones with a checkmarks still have some minimum activity,
the other ones are "dead". they should no longer be listet at aioe.

How did you know about these usergroups? You must be spending lot of
time searching for them. You should be doing something useful and not
searching for useless newsgroups.

Post by Rainer Bielefeld

Post by Aioe

/--- This email has been checked for viruses by
Windows Defender software.
//https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/comprehensive-security/

CU
Rainer

[dacav]

All this void is so sad.

Is there a way to get usenet more active again, in your opinion?
Or is it completely doomed to be taken over by failbook and such?

[Good Guy]

Post by dacav
Is there a way to get usenet more active again,

Perhaps allow trolls and loonies to come back and start posting here :)

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

[s|b]

Post by dacav
All this void is so sad.
Is there a way to get usenet more active again, in your opinion?
Or is it completely doomed to be taken over by failbook and such?

When all the old geezers die, it will be very very quiet...

[Rainer Bielefeld]

stop doing it and your time and patience will not be consumed.

Well,

the problem here is that too many people post who already learned to
write, but not to read.

Bye!